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Dave

Mar 14, 05 - 7:17 PM

Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Dave's Heat #22 has been put up

Slash's Heat has been copy and pasted from the UGWA site for anyone who has yet to read it.

Please post any positive or negative responses to Dave's or Slash's Heat columns in this thread.

Also, their have already been posted responses to Slash's Heat on the UGWA message board. you can reach them going to http://ugwa.bravehost.com

Iron Man

Mar 14th, 2005 - 8:42 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Nice to see your acting like your normal self Dave. I mean sh*t without mentioning us (UGWA) where would your little Dave's heat be? Would there really be any reason to even come to your site? I doubt it. I mean I know you like the sound of your own voice that's obvious. I mean do you ever shut up? Don't answer that it would only require hearing more of you which is rather annoying.
As for UGWA still being at the same level as we were when we first met BCW, I stand by my word that we as in the veterans of UGWA are not. We have progressed just as you, sure we didn't have any of the "pro" training you got. Sh*t, you do know about the ropes more than we do, we never said you didn't. You just gotta keep mentioning it to yourself in order for you to feel better. It's a complex I understand, you can't help it. And sure we don't lock up the "left" like you do, big f*ckin deal. We're not trying to become pro and I'm sure you'll never become pro and I'll tell you why. Your attitude sucks, I know, you don't know it but I'm sure everyone who hangs out with you knows it as well. I mean, I can remember back to the last UGWA rumble when you called Q-Ball your bud, and Murder 1, "idiots who couldn't even work a radio" just because they couldn't play your music. I think you even told us a story about how people at your wrestling school (thumbs up to you on that) talked sh*t about you and, unfortunately I don't know the name they called you but I know they had a nickname for you that probably ate up at you every day. How unfortuante that they would do that to such a great wrestler such as yourself. You got talent Dave, that's unquestionable but you don't have as much talent as you'd like to think. Your a twenty your old with a passion for wrestling but lack respect.
I actually don't recall too many people liking you at any place we ever went with you. PAW didn't like you, UWC didn't like you, some of WFW I'm afraid as well didn't like you but we supported you. I can't say that I was too fond of you when I met you and throughout our careers I found myself not liking you at times. Now UWC and PAW and WFW all had great wrestlers and at least one wrestler from each of those feds went pro, but your still here. Your not pro.
You say we're lazy but check this out man we might not be too much older than you but we had prior responsiblities other than wrestling. We didn't have the luxury like you did to have things handed to you. We didn't have the time to watch wrestling all day everyday. We didn't go out and buy or have bought for us championship belts. We never went out there and said we're gonna become pro. I'm sure your only real reason for having beef with UGWA is to build yourself up more, that's cool, I mean we're the only way that people will generate heat towards you. Where would your character be without UGWA, you sure as hell would not have come up with that "gimmick" if it wasn't for us. C'mon admit it.
I'm glad to hear that Q and Paul are getting better I give you two guys plenty of respect. You know how to act and you guys have talent. I hope the best for you two in the future. I'm glad you guys are able to make your own desicions.
Did we perpetrate Sins actions, not at all. He hates you on his own. You challenged him to a shoot and now your backing down. I would make perfectly sure that nobody jumped you. I have always been truthful with every person I've worked with including you. Its sad on your behalf that you would think like that about us. Oooo, we do drugs, big f*ckin' deal you act like we're shooting up meth or something. Be realistic Dave, your not living in candy land all right. I'm sorry that smoking a plant scares you so much. It doesn't suprise me that you would think that we want you soooo bad to come back. Dude, we just wanted to finish up your angle, you know how that is and you said it yourself. We're not trying to pry anyone away from WSW, I think its a great opportunity for you guys. Working in that ring is great experience. Paul, Q, Rico, I've always been cool with you guys and there's no reason for me not to be.
UGWA is not trying to become super huge pro wrestling fed. We're just doing what we're doing all right, f*ckin' back off all ready. You can only build yourself up so much Dave, how does your head fit so much ego. I'm sure you store some of it in your @ss, sorry, sorry, cheap shot.
Hey we were all just a bunch of feds that came together in the Bay Area for competition. Those days are over. There is no competition, there's just UGWA doing their thing and everyone else doing their own. Nice try to generate heat but its more than obvious what your trying to do Dave. Just hurry up and finish those last twenty minutes of DVD and burn them. Quit trying to hold the DVD down man, relax and pull that deusch out of your @ss. Peace b*tches!

p.s. I'm not Al Snow b*tch, although I do get plenty of head.

Slash

Mar 14th, 2005 - 10:26 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

1st things first, Dave, you think too highly of yourself by even considerin I'd plan Sin's response to my heat, I'm to "lazy" to go to the trouble, remember? That was just an example of what most people, with the exception, usually, of the old school UGWA guys, that we have worked with, want to say to you, maybe not in those exact words, but in some variation.
Your forgetting your roots, and that's something that you should never do. I know you were "wrestling" before we found you, but I don't think jumpin on the trampoline with 6th graders counts. Your roots started with UGWA. It took a while but we finally breathed some originality out of you. If it wasn't for us there's be no Dynamite, just Dave Van Dam coming out to triple H's entrance music. Actually, I take that back. If it wasn't for WFW telling you to think up an original name, or you couldn't wrestle in their ring, you'd still be Dave Van Dam.
We have no illusions of what we are. Are we good? Yes. Do we resemble pro wrestling? That's stretching it.We aren't trying to be pro wrestlers. We are trying to make and sell DVD's though....The problem with us and you is, your role playing. That's why you copied all these pro wrestlers originally, we did that too, but we stopped in the 7th grade. You want an environment where you can role play as a pro wrestler. You definantly aren't gonna get that with the UGWA. DO we like a good wrestling match with all the trimmings, hell yeah,but do we also like a match where two guys get heated and stop selling and just beat each other up? Hell yeah. What ever sells DVD's, when they are done at least.
Do we have a ring? No. Does WSW? Yup. That's why your willing to go up there, it's the next step in your role playing. They got a great set up. HUGE Crowds like I've never seen in Backyard Wrestling. They definantly got the best looking environment, as far as comparing backyard wrestling to pro goes. It's easy to forget your in a backyard when your there. You can't do that with the UGWA. WSW you can. It don't hurt that you have a position of power there either. Nothing against them, They're a good step up if your destination is pro wrestling, but the next step up is a school, which you already were at, but dropped out of. You had your chance but couldn't cut it. That's the end of that. Any of us could have gone to the school, **** they take all comers, we probably could've lasted as long as you before quitting too, maybe even finished. On a good day any of the core UGWA could've won that contest. We don't plan on finishing pro school, let alone attentding it. We don't plan on being pro wrestlers. Neither do you. If you did, you would have done it by now. Don't get confused, your at the same level we are, your friends just got nicer toys then we do.
Do we have a **** load of new guys who are untrained and sloppy? you bet. At least we got new guys. When we were all BCW, we had the same roster the whole time with a few guys who were barely ever around. We are actually finding new wrestlers. Do their matches even resemble pro wrestling in the slightest? Hell no, but at least they're here and trying. A lot of these guys have had less then 10 matches, what do you expect? You want them to jump in head first and be as good as guys who've done this for years? It's not that easy. They gotta learn just like we did. Think of what you were like when you first started. You had a long time to practice on little kids on a trampoline before we found you, these guys didn't. This is their time to learn, and they are.
As far as the drugs go, We aren't trying to be role models, we got our vices, Weed and Alchohol. So what? When I went with you to WSW the 1st time I even smoked with a couple of their guys. It's not a big deal. If you ever do go pro, and that's a big if, I guarantee you'l be seeing folks doing a lot more then smoking a blunt and drinking a 40oz.
Bottem line is you got a big ego, and every once in a while you just gotta tell everyone how great you think you are, it's cool, We're used to it.
-Slash

PsY

Mar 15th, 2005 - 12:54 AM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Insightful review and or critique. We don't have much of a perspective when it comes to the local wrestling circuit and we find your observations extremely educational. We don't really get out much.

The Wrestle Guy

Mar 15th, 2005 - 1:00 AM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

While Dave does seem to have quite the ego in his words of his column, What he does say about wrestling is very true. regardless of how much of an ass he sounds like, he's got a point....and he is probably the best wrestler out of BCW or the UGWA....but yes...he does come off a little harsh.

slash

Mar 15th, 2005 - 11:56 AM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Have you ever seen a UGWA show before? if your judging based off me vs dave that's not a good example. I am out of shape. I'm getting back into shape, but I am still a long ways away from where I want to be. If all you've seen is Dynamite vs Slash, that's not a good example. If you ask me, Medieval is much better and entertaining to watch, if you haven't seen him in action, you should before making your final judgement.

slash

Mar 15th, 2005 - 11:59 AM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

He might be the best wrestler out of UGWA/BCW to go to WSW, he might be the best wrestler in WSW, but he's NOT the best wrestler out of UGWA/BCW/EBW.

The Wrestle Guy

Mar 15th, 2005 - 12:26 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Then Medieval should come to WSW then. I would love to see him wrestle if you say he is as good as u do.

by the way, i wasn't refering to dave's wrestling ability when i said he had a point...I was refering to his words on the things he learned in pro school which makes him know more about wrestling than others.

but...Medieval and the other UGWA guys should come to WSW and give us what you got. from all this drama on this board, you guys seem to have something to see.

Iron Man

Mar 15th, 2005 - 3:01 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

What's up Wrestle Guy. This is the Medieval. I had planned on going to WSW back in January. I had all ready planned out my schedule around going to WSW but with everything that went down with your guys reconstruction it wasn't able to happen. I really find this whole "drama" funny. Cause that's what it is man. I'm not one for dramatics but I'm not going to let my fed be bashed. I'm an open minded person and I have never refuted Dave's knowledge of what he has learned but its far from the entire picture of wrestling. He's hardly in a position to preach the bible of wrestling to everyone, he's only twenty and still has a long way to go. Perhaps once I can clear a day away from work and school, I'd like to have a match over in WSW. There is no beef between UGWA and WSW.

Slash

Mar 15th, 2005 - 7:35 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

UGWA will be at at least 1 WSW show before Summer

Q-Ball

Mar 17th, 2005 - 3:54 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Alright......everyone knows that i dont normally post on these things because it just causes more problems....and im just gonna step outside the box for a second to make (or try to) make you guys understand.....now im not you're guys's Dad but the way you guys are acting (meaning Dave, Anthony, Jose) are acting like sombody's little kids......take a look.....Without Wrestling.....none of this would be going on...i mean none of it! we probably wouldnt even be friends! wrestling is the core of this. now look at the WWE.....they are professionals that get paid to do it! right? WE DONT WORK FOR WWE! SO WHY ALL THE POLITICS???? the wwe has that why should we?

So since everyone is whining....i might as well start whining.......and anthony...these questions are for you....and the answers you give will display wether or not i come back to the UGWA.....were gonna go back...

Subject 1 the UGWA RE-START:

Why was Q-Ball stripped of the UGWA side of the title when it started?
Answer that.... was i not good enough to carry it?

Why did the title go to the pakastallion?
Answer that.....is he supposedly better than me?

I asked you about where my character was going at a show once...you didnt know.....i mean **** i thought i was worth more than that?

Where was my character going?
Answer that.....judging off the people i was wrestling and my win/loss record,most likely nowhere.

why was Dave your Champ?
Answer that....if you hate the guy so much, why kiss his ass? that bothered me because you acted like you had no other option. i mean hey...its oyur fed and i respect that but dont forget "the Roots" of what happened when the UGWA restarted....you screwed someone.

Final Question: why cant WE ALL TAKE CONSTRUCTIVE CRTITSISM?
Answer that....now listen everyone.....we all know a little something about wrestling...we all learn something new all the time....i have no problem taking lessons form dave or anybody thats giving lessons jose knows this because i watch his matches all the time and learn things from him so what the ****? why cant the new guys learn like I did? that reason and the questions above have drawn me to the conclusion that were not trying to have fun anymore....were in it for the money.....selling DVD's.....?????? ill tell you one thing.....when My DVD comes out......the only person that will have a copy is ME...that way you guys will respect ****......and i will say my DVD will be very short if we continue to fight like this....and i want to look back at all of you guys....10...20 years down the line and say...like Jose says..."good times...Good times".....so reguardless of daves wrestling experience, jose's drug addictions, slashs's chronic smoking habits, adrian's punk ass pet spider, dog, cat, giraffe... rookie's disrespecting people who have been there before and have EXPERIENCE......C'MON GUYS!!!!

i saw in your heat that you didnt like the fact that in BCW there were the same guys wrestling all the time.....(at least at that time everyone was on the same page) now in the UGWA we have the vetereans....then we have the nobodys....now ill tell you this... were all not the top ****....daves not the best, im not the best, slash isnt the best, jose isnt the best, all the vets that were around way before the whole restart thing....but we are a hell of alot better than whats going on now in the UGWA So....what happened to the quality?..think about it....anthony you cant keep throwing the title around to the same guys all the time....a chunck of the vets are out of service at this moment : Murder 1 (which is qballs top dog) Dave, Assasin Gwar, and Myself.....so what are we gonna do about the dying UGWA....mabye the UGWA should take a break and bring the worthy talent to WSW.....i think its a better move in all honesty. thats enough....im done ....respect goes to everyone who deserves it....Point Em Out!

Iron Man

Mar 17th, 2005 - 5:32 PM

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I'm gonna address you Q-Ball right now. I don't believe that I'm whining or crying about anything.

You and me have had a lot of good matches and we've learned from each other through the past. And you know that I'm not the type of guy who gets all ruffled over sh*t. But I'm not gonna sit on my @ss while Dave disses the UGWA. Yes you guys don't like our rookies, you don't know them and you probably don't want to know them. Their rookies, they have little to no experience but they show up every week and try. Their not great but who was when they first started?

UGWA was fine with you, Dave, Paul and whoever left to WSW. It was coo, we didn't have a problem with it. Then Dave started bashing us while you guys were in WSW. Constructive Critisism I can take as well as dish out but that was not constructive that was lets talk some **** so we can generate some more hits on this site. That's not coo. We asked you plenty of times if you wanted to continue in UGWA and you told us yes, while Dave told us you didn't want to. Now you didn't speak up so what do we have to go off of? If you would've said, hey I'm gonna take a break or I'm gonna wrestle for WSW for awhile that would've bothered us some cause you were a part of UGWA but we would have appreciated the heads up. Now me and Slash decided to post a reply towards Dave's heat and suddenly we're the cry babies. I don't think so. Would that have been said if we had just went along and said you're right Dave, we're wrong?

It seems as though you guys want us to go to WSW and we'd like to but UGWA comes first for us. We can't go up there cause their shows run on the same day as ours. Now we're trying to start a new batch of wrestlers and if you guys can't understand that, tough. You make it seem as though we've suddenly changed but we haven't, we're the same guys you met in BCW. I don't understand how you could say that we're crying and whiny, I just don't. It's more like you guys don't like the direction that we're going for the moment so we should just do what you guys suggest. As much as you don't like Adrian his skills have improved and Jersey Devil's have as well. Enough to move them up on the roster. Now that's two guys and we're still training more. We're making new wrestlers so we don't have to be at the top of the pier all the time like some wrestlers wish to be. Why, cause your right Q-Ball, we aren't getting paid so why do we have to jock for position?

It's all about patients a patients that you guys couldn't have for us when our rookies started, so you left. It's all about that main event spot, its all about working with great talent or is it? I could care less about the main event spot, I'd rather be happy knowing that I've helped bring up new talent. I'm a person who admits when he's wrong and I don't believe I'm wrong here. And I don't have a drug addiction what a falsity. Weed is not addictive its habit forming, something I learned in class. Class something a drug addict wouldn't bother with.

slash

Mar 17th, 2005 - 9:23 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Q, I gotta lot of respect for you, AndI'm gonna answer those questions you got for me cuz you deserve an explanation.
When we restarted, I wanted someone who I thought would be their regularly. When I put the belt on Paki, I made a collosal mistake. He's not even close to being better than you. But He made a lot of empty promises and I believed him. He's on the same boat as m1 and angel of death. He's not welcome back. Looking back on that, it was a mistake.
Regularly when deciding a champ, I look at three things, Ability,Attendance, and Attitude.
Now, when I stripped you of the UGWA side of the belt, it was nothing against you. I just wasn't sure of what your status was on being able to show every week. It's not like I'd never give you a chance to get it back. As far as Dave goes, hey I never said I hated the guy, yeah, he's an A-Hole sometimes, well a lot of time, but that's just the nature of the beast.
Why did I put the belt on him? **** man, I got desperate to get the belt off of Paki. Dave has hella talent, and he showed up every week, at that time at least, his attitude sucked, but I knew with the belt on him he'd be a good champ.
As far as the Direction of your character? that's partially up to you. I think you got all the talent in the world and you could very well hold the title, but when you ask for handouts, it makes me not want to give it to you. I don't want to bribe you to be in the fed. You can hold the title, you got all the ability,and attitude, but the attendance is where I'm concerned with you. If you could promise me X amount of appearances, We could talk, but I'm not gonna pomise everything. And with your charater, Before you stopped showing up, I put you in a stable with me, I had, and still have plans for you, I was just about to start pushing you as a major heel....You want details, you call me though, cuz I'm not trying to post that **** on here. As far as your win/loss record, I gave you wins over the lower card, that's what they're there for till they get better, but Your a heel man, the heel's always lose in the Big match, **** man, look at my own win loss record, I usually will be the 1st to put over the new guys when I think they're ready. You our one of the top guys as far as I'm concerned, You should be secure with your acomplishments.
I apologize if you feel screwed by me taking the belt off you, I didn't know you felt that way, I apologize, and honestly it was a mistake putting the belt on Paki. He trains with Frank Shamrock, so I figured the transition from shoots to this would be easy for him, but he's a lazy dumb**** who did more bad then good for us.
We have no problem taking critisism, but Dave went above and Beyond with what He wrote, so we had to respond. That's not critisism, that's him just saying how he thinks he's better than us, and he does think he's better then us, all of us. WSW included, but that's his opinion, he's entitled to it. I don't hate him for it, I got my own opinions too, I just don't voice it as much as he does unless 1st provoked.
As far as the just trying to make money, man, we're like the jahova's witnesses that wake me up on saturday mornings, it's going to a good cause. All proceeds of the yet to be finished DVD will go to supplies for future DVD's and the Get the UGWA a Ring fund, which most people who I know will be using the ring have yet to throw in on.....but that's a whole other discussion.
As far as us never getting new guys when we were all BCW, I didn't say I didn't like the fact we had a solid roster, I was just stating that it never grew, only shrunk, while the current UGWA roster is always expanding. we're finding new people so that we don't have to keep juggling the belt with the same guys. Do they learn as fast as you? some do, some don't. You are above average talent when it comes to backyard wrestling. Some people it just takes longer with.
As far as UGWA Dying, hell no we're not dying, we're growing. Is the qualitly of the cards as whole the same as when we got a show full of established vets? no, but you can't expect these new guys to wake up one day jump out of bed and wrestle a match of the same caliber of the vets.

When WSW's concerned, we will make an appearance, but they aren't our priority, UGWA is and always will be. Now hopefully WSW will be on a set, non changing scedule, and sometime before the Summer, maybe even more than once, we'll be there.
Hopefully I answered some of your Questions Q, fell free to call me if you got any more. I'd rather talk to you than play internet tag on this site.

Whiteyez

Mar 18th, 2005 - 11:03 AM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

THAT IS ****EN IT. WHAT ABOUT ME? WHAT ABOUT RAVEN!!!!!!!!!!!! SLASH WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS? YOU SEEM TO BE THROWING RESPECTING IN EVERY DIRECTION BUT MINE. "Q-BALL I RESPECT YOU" WHY YOU DONT RESPECT ME? WHAT MORALLY HAVE I EVER DONE TO YOU THAT WOULD MAKE YOU YOU BANN ME FROM THIS PUNK ASS LOW BUGDET FED THAT LACKS TRUE LEADERSHIP. I PERSONALLY AM FURIOUS WITH THE WAY YOU PEOPLE PLAY FAVORITES. PAUL AND BRANDON YOU GUYS HAVE RESPECT FOR(WICH ARE MY DOGGS BY THE WAY)WHY DO YOU MAKE IT SEEM LIKE DAVE AND I ARE ****EN BAD GUYS. ONCE A UPON A TIME WE ALL SPILLED THE SAME BLOOD IN THE SAME MUDD.YOU GUYS ARE LIKE ****EN GIRLS ON THEIR PERIOD YOU CONSTANTLY ***** ABOUT OUT NOTHING. LIKE BRANDON SAID WE ARENT PRO'S SO WHY ARE TAKING THINGS OUT OF CONTEX.NOW IM NOT THE BEST BUT IM GONNA SAY THIS. I AM THE BEST GUY MY SIZE ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER HAD, AND IF YOU DENY IT YOUR A ****EN IDIOT. WHY PUSH ME AND TANK?, HELL WE'VE SEEN IT. DAVE AND Q, WE'VE SEEN IT, DAVE AND IRONMAN WE'VE SEEN IT. IT LIKE YOU GUYS ARE STUCK IN THIS 3 YEAR LONG STORYLINE, SWITCH IT UP,WWE'S RATINGS STARTED TO DIE THAT WHOLE YEAR WHEN TRIPLE H WAS THE CHAMP. WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE TIRED OF SEEING THAT. I COULD GO OFF TO THE ARMY AND SERVE MY TIME AND COME HOME AND HE'S STILL CHAMP. I KNOW YOU ARE SMARTER THAN THAT ANTHONY, LET Q HOLD THE TITLE FOR MORE THAN 5 MINUTES, LET DAVE WRESTLE WHO HE WANTS, LET ME SHAPE MY OWN CHARACTER BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ITS THE ONLY WAY WERE GONNA SEE SOME CHANGE. THIS WHOLE THING IS RE-GOD****-DICULOUS. YOU WANNA HARP ON MY ATTENDANCE, IM SORRY I DONT LIVE NEXT DOOR TO ANTHONY SO SHOW ME SOME LEEWAY.THIS FED WILL NEVER MAKE IT FOR NUMEROUS REASONS, WE ARGUE TO MUCH, I COULD SAY THE SKY IS BLUE AND YOU WOULD STILL THINK IM DISSING THE UGWA. LISTEN ALL OF YOU. I AM OFFENDED THAT YOU GUYS SHOW ME NO RESPECT.I HAVE SENORITY DAMMIT. AND I SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT RECOGNIZES IT. MAYBE WSW WILL BE A LITTLE MORE COURTIOUS.

**** EVERYBODY!!!!!!! AND WATCH YOU MOUTH WHEN YOU REPLY.
MURDER CAN BE THE CASE MOHTER****ERS!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave

Mar 18th, 2005 - 11:19 AM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Just to get one thing straight. As much as you wanna believe I write the dave's heat columns to tell myself how great I am....that's just stupid. I state my opinions on the matters at hand regarding the wrestling scene. period. Now I expect most people don't agree with my views and thats fine because I'm a firm believer in the right to your own opinion. But my main argument in this edition was simply on benefits of experience making a lot of guys including myself a much better wrestler than before. And it was my opinion that the UGWA have not really changed since the BCW days. But all the responses to that just seem to be "you suck, dave"....."you never made pro dave"...."I have no respect for what you've done, dave"...."BCW sucks, Dave"........those weren't real quotes but thats what I seem to get from this. If people respond to something...respond to what the argument was about....not turning it into a bash of the author who wrote it.

few other things I want to mention...

You're right Slash, I do role play!,.........As does EVERY other person who does backyard wrestling. Backyard wrestling whether you admit it or not, IS AN IMITATION OF PRO WRESTLING!!!!......The fact you all come out to theme music from a decorated set and perform pro wrestling moves with refereee's and that you guys run storylines......cmon man......even you are not "trying" to be pro wrestlers.... act like you guys are not imitating pro wrestling...so don't go saying that I "role-play"...as if you guys don't.

and my real "roots" being in the UGWA!?...yea f*ckin right...Roots are defined as where you started...I started in BCW...on a trampoline....with Roc, TRU, Kay-C, Korupt, Andy, and a lot of youngsters.....Don't say that wrestling with 6th graders on a trampoline doesn't count as my "roots" cause its a slap in the face to me, and all the younger guys who went out there and gave it their all to have a good time and wrestle. hell......if that was the case.....then none of this UGWA.. you have now ..should count because I put your rookies in the same class as the BCW "6th graders"......there about the same talent wise.......exception of jersey.....

regardless of all this ****...BCW had the best environment, best storylines, best roster (including BCW/UGWA/EBW)....and it seemed like everyone had a good time.....but I guess The UGWA guys were made fun of and they "took alot of ****" for wrestling on a trampoline......if it was that big of a deal for you guys to not wrestle on the grass.....then I would of rather you guys not make those shows. Because Q and myself are sick of you guys dissing the trampoline like you were so embarrased to step foot on it when BCW was around.

I can't wait for the UGWA to come to WSW....I really want them to go in the ring and steal the show.....I hope its Jose vs Slash because that is the only pair of UGWA guys that have a chance to do such a thing.

Dave

Mar 18th, 2005 - 11:30 AM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

lets also NOT FORGET...that I am making the UGWA DVDs.......and that you guys are going to sell them and use the money for youeselves and the UGWA.....lets not forget how much time i have already invested into it and that I am NOT getting paid one f*cken cent to do this for you guys...

and it is that reason ....(that I'm not getting paid).....that the UGWA Rumble is LAST on my priority list of things to do.....i mean.....what the f*ck do i get from this???!?!????....so my job, WSW, my family, WWE, my friends, and school....ALL COME BEFORE....the DVD......so I will work on it when I **** well please.....if you guys don't want me to do it...even better.....cause I don't have the time to do it......I will get to finishing it.....but nobody is going to tell me when I have to finish it...or tell me that I better finish it......because I can delete all that **** with a click of a button.....you guys should be grateful because you take this wrestling footage to a business or someone you don't know...and they will charge you hundreds of dollars to burn all these damm DVD's......

the guy

Mar 18th, 2005 - 1:05 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

dag this stuff got heated. i haven't wrestled in like two years until last weekend when i went to a WSW show and had a blast. it was like being back in the BCW backyard, pulling up in my raggedy station wagon, chillin for an afternoon with friends, and wrestling. all this stuff going on right now, "drama" as iron man put it, is all just pointless. look, dave's heat is his opinion right? people didn't get this worked up over stuff he's said before right so what's the difference this time?

Iron Man

Mar 18th, 2005 - 6:17 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Let me be the first to say that I'm not raising no f*ckin' white flag but it doesn't seem like anyone is going to comprise on this situation. Roy, your right, my tolerance for bullsh*t has lessened because the amount of it has increased. I will give you, your props when I say that you are the most agile big guy I've seen wrestle. And I understand you live far away and it would've been nice to see you around more often, it was just you telling us you'd show up and then suddenly cancel. I'm not saying that it was on purpose but it does become an issue when it becomes a habit. Let's say that all the times you didn't show you had a valid reason then although we'd understand its still something that nobody wants to work with. I'm not watching my words with you, I'm not trying to be kind because you asked everyone to watch what they'd reply but I'm telling you our side of it. It's done and over with so there's no need for further arguing. We've both told our stories.

In regards to Dave, we did respond to your heat for what you mentioned. Unfortunately, we take your sh*t better than you take ours. We quitely sat back and read your past heats and were kind enough to be gentle with you but this last one was unecessary. You haven't showed up to UGWA, which is not a problem and we've rarely talked to you, so in retrospect we weren't needed to be mentioned in your heat. We haven't said anything about you and yet you mentioned us as if we've somehow caused your effect. There was no cause in this heat. I know you like to speak your opinion on what is going on in wrestling but gear it towards what you do unless your going to be ok with our response. UGWA and you Dave, solely you, have a somewhat of a weird comprise that you talk sh*t to us and we to you, and its ok. That's what we do, we take each others opinions for what they are and in this case we've both raised the bar. I don't agree with your views and you with mine. That's fine. I've talked worse sh*t to you and wrestled you the next day. That's what we do.

In regards to the DVD situation. I'm really dissapointed that you would use the DVD as some sort of ransom. It almost seems as though you've said, ask me to finish one more time and I'll f*ck your sh*t up. I obviously don't know how much spare time you do have but I'd like to think that if you really wanted us off your back you'd work with us on finishing it. There's not much more to do on it and this DVD caters not only to us but to EBW and BCW. UGWA/BCW/EBW were all showcased at this event an entire year ago. I am also a very busy guy, I have school all week and I have scenes to direct, write and act in constantly but I make sure that if I've had any prior commitments that I do finish them. That is what a person does when in a busy business. Sure there are times when things fall behind schedule but although you're not getting paid for it as you said, it is a favor towards us if you could finish it. I mean here Roy says we're all buds then why can't you finish this one thing for your buds. We're buds who talk sh*t to each other. Other people would have said, f*ck you Dave go to hell but we're yet to say that to you. If we really hated you that much you would know it.

I still believe that a large portion of your heat is geared towards yourself. If you believed that you were as good as you say you are, it wouldn't need mentioning. Me and Anthony think differently we don't get together and talk about what we'll say to you guys so I'm sure you'll get a slightly different story from him. I don't believe either one of us has caused any dramatics, you know this Dave, all we did was respond to your heat. I talked to you once about a Heat you had just posted and I said I would respond. Because everytime that you and I get into it people really like to read it. We both agreed. We've never "fixed" it but we just tell it like we see it. So there is no reason for the huge blow up. You encourage us to reply to your post, that's what we did.

Wow, I didn't think I was going to write this much but this seems to be a real sore subject. It seems as though your main complaint is about our new guys. You guys don't like them, then your **** is with them not with the entire fed. Why mention UGWA. I didn't like that skinny canandian guy, I forget his name but I didn't go making a scene about it. I didn't much like Krash or PAW when I first met them but we all still worked good matches. Its obvious you guys can't work good matches with our new guys, but so what if everyone is so knowledgable why not lend a hand?

It's my hope that this will be all squashed because its really gettin spread pretty thin. The subject matter is repititive and its getting rather boring. I won't be walking on eggshells either, I have the write to speak my opinion just as much as Dave and if anyone has otherwise to say about it tough sh*t. Moven on, kicks rocks, get off of it already, smile now cry later, it's already dead. T

slash

Mar 18th, 2005 - 7:45 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Dude, that's pretty low to hold the DVD over our heads. I'm not trying to order you to finish it, but based on Your word to me about when it was gonna be finished, I started telling people about it. Maybe I shoulda started talking about it after it was already finished, but It was based off that. People still ask me about it. It'll be finished when its finished, but It'd help me out if it could be sooner than later.
As far as the profit off this DVD, it's not like you're not gonna get to reap the spoils too, You'll be wrestling in the Ring, I'm sure, when we get it. As far as our rookies, they Are a hellova lot better then the 6th graders you had wrestling, and They are getting better, so quit bashing them for not getting better at the same rate you did. And you HAVE worked good with them and had great matches with both Anarchist and Ace, so I know you can help them out if you tried. That's all I gotta say, all the important stuff is in the **** I wrote before.
oh, and M1, you got NO pull, you are dangerous, you get too **** excited in your matches and HURT people, Vince Womahon, exel, Chance Callaway, Me, Tank, the list goes on and on. This message is to WSW, you let Murder1 wrestle for you, your people WILL GET HURT.
Roy, You complain too much, got horrible ideas for your character, and are only concerned with looking good on camera. That's why you aren't welcome in UGWA. I can't respect someone who's word is ****. We disagee with Dave, but at least, up till now he's always kept his word.
That's all I gotta say on the subject.

ASSASSINETTE

Mar 19th, 2005 - 11:43 AM

Re: Dave's Heat

HEY EVERYONE!
I just wanted to comment from outsiders perspective becuase I haven't been involved in this wrestling stuff that long. First I wanted to say that yes Dave is cocky but that doesn't make him an ass hole or anything like that. He works really hard to keep the wrestling stuff going on top of work and school. Many of you know exactly how this is. From watching all of your old tapes from the trampoline matches and so fourth it looked like you all had a good time. So I don't understand why it's so different now. The UGWA is doing it's own thing and I think that's cool. Those of us who are going to WSW I think thats cool too. So why all the back and fourth. Dave just stated his opinion and all hell brakes loose. I mean if the UGWA doesn't like what Dave has to say then why read his column and why rely on him to do that dvd? Why not just write your own thing on your own site? You guys may think the old stuff wasn't anything compared to what you do now but I think when you guys worked together that the entertainment value of the show was awesome. I definetly hope to see the UGWA guys up at WSW when you get a chance especially since the shows are on saturdays now! I hope that ALL of you can show more respect for each other through constructive criticism and try to be the bigger man if someone isn't being fair. We are all adults now and I think we should all act that way.

P.S. I wanted to say a little bit about RESPECT because some people don't know from the footage I saw of someone trying to see up my skirt when I was down on the ground during a match. That is immature and disrespectful to myself and ASSASSIN. Both him and I were glad that you can't see anything but at the same time it's the fact that SOMEONE who will remain anonymous tried to see up my skirt.

THANKS A LOT YOU F*ck! MUAH

whiteyez

Mar 19th, 2005 - 11:47 AM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

HOW ****EN DARE YOU , YOU ****EN @SSHOLE. JOSE, RUBEN OR ANYONE ELSE YOU GUYS ARE GREAT GUYS AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO STEP IN AN DEFEND ANTHONY I UNDERSTAND. LISTEN YOU LITTLE **** HOW CAN YOU EVEN SHAPE YOUR LIPS TO TELL ME IM "TOO DANGEROUS" LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO STILL HAVE SCARS FROM THAT STUPID ASS CANE. YOU AINT ****, YOU NEVER ENTERNTAINED ME, BESIDES WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WRESTLING 90% OF YOUR MOVE LIST INVOVLES THAT ****EN CANE. YOUR GIMMICK SUCKS, YOUR TOO SMALL FOR THE GAME.YOU THINK LIFE IS JUST ONE BIG ****EN COMIC BOOK. TO BE HONEST EVERY PERSON WHOSE EVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH YOUR SORRY ASS HAS TALKED **** ABOUT YOUR STYLE BEHIND YOUR BACK. "RESPECT THE WEED" GET OUT OF HERE YOU ****EN POTHEAD YOU COULDNT GO FIVE MINUTES IN A MACTH WITH OUT GASPING FOR AIR. SURE IM FAT ITS NOT A SECRET BUT I HAVE MORE TALENT IN MY LEFT NUT THEN YOU CAN OBTAIN IN A LIFEFTIME."I DONT KEEP PROMISES", CRY ME A RIVER DICKFACE. BOO HOO! ALL YOU DO IS ****** YOU PROBABLY COULDNT WAIT FOR BCW TO STOP SO YOU COULDS TAKE THE REIGNS. LEAVE THE KENDO STICKS IN THE MARTIALS ARTS CLASS YOU TAE BO HO. YOUR IMAGE IS SO WEAK, YOUR RING ATTIRE IS ACTUALLY THE **** YOU WEAR IN REAL LIFE, SO YOUR SLASH ALL THE TIME. YOUR GIMMICK WENT OUT WITH DISCO, BUT YOU THINK YOUR SOME BIG SHOT WRESTLING PROMOTOR THAT CAN GO AROUND FLAPPIN HIS GUMS. HELLO YOU FAG, YOUR NOT PAYING ANYONE. THIS IS NOT WWE!!! YOU HAVE TURNED A FUN TIME BETWEEN FRIENDS INTO A ****EN VERBAL WAR. "IM ONLY "INTERESTED IN LOOKING GOOD ON CAMERA".DUH YOU ****EN IDIOT, FOR THE SAME REASON THE ROCK,AUSTIN,TRIPLE AND JERICHO DO. TO BE AN ICON TO BE ENETRTAINING. WHAT JACKASS WANTS TO LOOK BAD ON CAMERA MORON.ANYWAY I'VE SAID ENOUGH' I'LL JUST SIT AND WAIT FOR YOUR LAME ASS COMEBACK SO I CAN HIT 80x's HARDER YOU ******

KISS MY ASS SLASH YOU NINJA TURTLE REJECT. **** YOU .M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1M1FAG

Iron Man

Mar 19th, 2005 - 6:13 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

You know I wasn't going to post anymore on this subject but someone on this site finally made some sense of the whole situation. And the person it was really did surprise me seeing as SHE, hasn't really been around the entire scene that long.

Check it, Assasinate, you're correct on some of what you said. We're doing our thing and everyone else is doing theirs. EXACTLY. That's what it should've been, us doing our thing and you guys doing yours and we'd tell each other how sh*t turned out. F*ck how hard is that, right?

But check this, Dave has his opinion, right? He has his heat and that's what its for. Understandable. But check this, on the flip side, we have our opinion and the whole reason for his "Dave's Heat" is to generate heat. He wants people to reply, he doesn't want us to just twiddle our thumbs and say ok. What is wrong with us replying to something he said about us? Can you answer that for me? Can we not stand up for ourselves? Should we be sheep like some people and say yes Dave, your right? Naw, that's not how it works, we ain't sheep and we follow our own path. Dave is not innocent of anyting he's done here whether he tries to tell you guys anything negative about us that he's long known and just now has revealed to you guys. Step back and make your own opinion, its evident that all of BCW is on one side and all of UGWA is on another, we've however taken into consideration everything you've guys have said. But it seems as though you skip through the important sh*t and focus on these minut jabs and punches. I know you guys hang out with him alot and it would be unbelievable to think that he doesn't have some influence on your opinion but I'd hope that you could make your own.

Assasinate, f*ckin' good sh*t on being the only one to really make some sense. Paul, Dave said he's trying to make you into more of a technical wrestler, dude, you've always had it in you. I just recently watched yours and mines first match ever, the first day we met and that match was pretty f*ckin' technical on both our parts. Except for that ghost kick, you know what I mean. But for two guys who had just met and it was f*ckin' tite.

I hope I don't have to post again on this subject but I'm sure someone will f*ck it up.

slash

Mar 19th, 2005 - 7:47 PM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Assassinette, this is to you, I'm sorry I took the cheap camera shot. I wasn't trying to be a dick or nothing, it was all for the DVD ,but that's not an excuse. Trust me, I've already caught a lot of **** over it here at home from my girlfriend too. I'll make you the same promise I made to my girl friend, I won't go for camera angles like that no more. Again, if I upset you, sorry....won't happen again.

Vince Womahon

Apr 25th, 2005 - 2:01 AM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

Over month ago, I was going to post on this board many comments to Dave, Medieval, Slash, and Murder 1. I never wound up posting because quite frankly, I was sick of arguing with everyone. You are all my friends and I didn't feel there would be any purpose to start yelling and ******** at everyone.

However, I did write a little something about Dave's Heat and didn't post it. However, I will leave it at this because I just don't care.

"I don't have too much to say about this particular topic as I agree with about 92% of it. "... until the UGWA lets go of the idea of how great they are ..., they will stay exactly the same and will never truly improve." I think the biggest problem has been that people are not taking in constructive criticism. Sure there is a line between constructive and harsh criticism, and I do agree that Dave pushes that line. However, it's all how you perceive it to be. Paul, Brianna, Brandon, and myself all take in what Dave and other have to say, all to develop our abilities. I think that *****-footing around the details is not going to help anyone. Sure, you don't want to hurt anyone's self-esteem, but nobody's gonna learn if they don't know their faults."

End of the ******* discussion. We have all moved on from this and thank God.

Vince Womahon

Apr 25th, 2005 - 2:10 AM

Re: Dave's Heat AND Slash's Heat have been updated on the BCW Site!

However, I do want to address the thing that Sin whined about on the UGWA boards because it cannot go unnoticed. My response is the same as it is on that board, but I feel it should be heard:

Okay, BRAD, you put up one of the worst defenses I've ever seen in my life. Your argument is both irrelevant and has no grounds.

First of all, your word choice is pitiful. You call WSW a bunch of f@gs and you call Dave a fruitcake. How would a wrestling federation be gay, first of all? Does it try to butt-rape the UGWA? Do the letters "WSW" cvm all over the "XWF?" As for Dave, do you see him hitting on other guys? Did he ask you for your number? Was he blowing kisses at the male audience members? Right now you may be thinking, "What the he|| is this guy talking about?" but that's exactly the point. You're just throwing out random slurs to make yourself sound tough and pi$$ed off. So how serious would anyone take your argument when you spout off things like that?

Also, White Supremacy was a group of characters that were not real. You complain about the gimmick being racist, yet I'll get to the point about personas later. However, while White Supremacy never actually meant any of the stuff that was said, you made a TRUE racist comment towards Dave, saying he reeks of "stinking Jew," -- again, poor word choice. Your complaint has no grounds.

Next, to say that none of us have any loyalty is untrue. Sure, we've stopped being a part of UGWA shows and have moved on to a different fed. But nobody ever once said, "Oh god, I hope the UGWA f'n dies!" We've all supported the fed as it helped everyone grow. If anything, where is your loyalty? You say that you live 17 miles outside of San Jose now. If you're going to accuse someone of disloyalty, don't put it towards us. We go 98 miles every Saturday to attend WSW shows. If you're trying to compare your sense of loyalty to ours, you fail miserably. Your complaint has no grounds.

Nobody ever said that you guys weren't tough. You're the one putting words in people's mouths. But you have to respect the fact that constant hardcore wrestling isn't entirely entertaining to us. Sure, sometimes it's good to watch and sometimes it's not. And hell, not all of the UGWA matches are "hardcore." Today I saw a GREAT match between Tank and Medieval. It was 95% wrestling and to do it on the mats takes skill if you are doing it correctly, which these two were. You have to respect that it is in all of our interests (Dave, Q-Ball, Assassin, Rico, Chad, Andy, myself) that wrestling in a ring is superior to wrestling on grass/mats. So basically you are attacking us because of our main goals. Why? There's no reason for you to be so d@mn pi$$ed off. Slash and Medieval respected our decision to leave. Why can't you? Your complaint has no grounds.

Leading me to my last point -- you are saying that Dave is not intelligent, which in turn says that none of us do. I find it funny that a person who can't even put together a decent argument is insulting someone else's intelligence. Also, the fact that you obviously don't even understand that White Supremacy was a gimmick, a wrestling persona, is questionable as well. Clearly you don't understand why people find you boring, so would you like to know why? What would White Supremacy be without a gimmick? You. Just a bunch of ordinary guys going out to wrestle, with no personality, and no care received from the crowd. It would just be Dynamite Dave, Chad McCain, and Andy Fish straight wrestled while Vince Womahon stood there with no reaction to anything and clear content on standing in one spot until it was time to leave. That is exactly what you used to do. You would go out, get your ass kicked, and leave. No character and shear boredom. Sure, you may have been able to take some punishment and possibly even looked cool doing it. But if there was a real crowd in the audience, nobody would give a $#|+ about you because you didn't entertain and this is why what was said was said. Therefore, it is very funny that you can lash out at someone and call them intelligent when you do not even understand basic wrestling principles. Your complaint has no grounds.

I think I have pretty much countered everything that you have just said, BRAD. Your insults are comical and cannot be taken seriously. Clearly you have ZERO understanding of what you are talking about and are trying to use BAD philosophical fallacies to prove your weak point. You have provided no grounds for ANY argument whatsoever. So quite frankly... shut up.

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